Hello fellow BB sufferers,
Hope you're all having a good day. I'm a first time poster and occasional browser of these forums.
I have been suffering from BB for the past five-and-a-half years. I know how it all started and if I have power to turn back the clock I'd certainly change things so I'd not be afflicted by this disease. Anyway, let me keep the intro short so I can get to the real purpose of this post.
Recently I stumbled upon this website (http://www.drnemeth.com/detroit-dental- ... treatment/), of one Dr. Joseph Nemeth based in Detroit. He claims to have tested and successfully treated oral borne BB using laser.
Has anyone got treatment from Dr. Nemeth? Please post your experiences. Appreciate any feedback! Your feedback will help me decide if it is worth a visit to Detroit from New York.
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Seeking feedback re: Dr. Joseph Nemeth's laser treatment
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hey wantmylifeback
How did you know it was a laser type treatment? I didn't see laser written anywhere in the info.
The reason I ask is that I have tried the oravital "treatment" at a similar dental clinic, and their website info sounds EXACTLY the same as this one. They promised me the world and back; 98% of ppl cured, blah blah but ofcourse it did not cure my bb. After almost thousands wasted at this clinic, I'm still in the same spot!
How did you know it was a laser type treatment? I didn't see laser written anywhere in the info.
The reason I ask is that I have tried the oravital "treatment" at a similar dental clinic, and their website info sounds EXACTLY the same as this one. They promised me the world and back; 98% of ppl cured, blah blah but ofcourse it did not cure my bb. After almost thousands wasted at this clinic, I'm still in the same spot!
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wantmylifeback
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Couple of more links about the treatment
Hey StillHoping,
I first came across Dr. Nemeth's treatment on this blogpost http://www.newbeauty.com/hottopic/blogp ... ad-breath/, which describes the procedure as a laser treatment. Just today, after my original post here, I found a youtube infomercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdrYQGc3bRY), in which Dr. Nemeth mentions "ultrasonic cleaning devices" and "lasers".
FWIW, I heard of Dr. Krespi ENT in New York, who also seems to have treated bad breath for people whose BB source is tonsils. However, Dr. Nemeth's treatment seems to be targeting other oral borne bacteria causing BB. There are couple of threads on Dr. Krespi on these forums, though I've not seen many success stories. I've had tonsils removed when I was a child, so my interest is more on Dr. Nemeth's treatment.
I first came across Dr. Nemeth's treatment on this blogpost http://www.newbeauty.com/hottopic/blogp ... ad-breath/, which describes the procedure as a laser treatment. Just today, after my original post here, I found a youtube infomercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdrYQGc3bRY), in which Dr. Nemeth mentions "ultrasonic cleaning devices" and "lasers".
FWIW, I heard of Dr. Krespi ENT in New York, who also seems to have treated bad breath for people whose BB source is tonsils. However, Dr. Nemeth's treatment seems to be targeting other oral borne bacteria causing BB. There are couple of threads on Dr. Krespi on these forums, though I've not seen many success stories. I've had tonsils removed when I was a child, so my interest is more on Dr. Nemeth's treatment.
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After reading the article; it sounds like this option is more for people with bad breath resulting from gum disease/ poor oral health.
But who knows, hopefully there is someone out there who can give some feedback..... Maybe I will call the clinic tomorrow and ask if the laser treatment works for people with healthy teeth/gums as well.
But who knows, hopefully there is someone out there who can give some feedback..... Maybe I will call the clinic tomorrow and ask if the laser treatment works for people with healthy teeth/gums as well.
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wantmylifeback
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Actually, the previous blogpost says gum borne bacteria but does not say gum disease. This blog (http://blog.drnemeth.com/wwwblogdrnemet ... d%20breath) explicitly says that he can treat BB that is NOT caused by gum disease.
I have healthy gums and very good oral health according to my dentist and hence my interest in Dr. Nemeth's treatment.
I have healthy gums and very good oral health according to my dentist and hence my interest in Dr. Nemeth's treatment.
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But it does not specify laser treatment for that? It says; "If your bad breath is not caused by gum disease, but rather just oral bacteria, we treat the condition by eliminating the bacteria with a painless and immediate procedure."wantmylifeback wrote:Actually, the previous blogpost says gum borne bacteria but does not say gum disease. This blog (http://blog.drnemeth.com/wwwblogdrnemet ... d%20breath) explicitly says that he can treat BB that is NOT caused by gum disease.
It might help to contact their office though and see what they say? But please do keep us updated if you do.
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This post is a bit long, but if a few people find this helpful, I'd be glad to have helped.
Having not got any feedback from people who actually got this treatment done and given that the referenced articles are more confusing (laser treatment or not, treatment for BB borne from gum disease or other oral areas, etc.), I finally called them. The staff is friendly and transferred me to Dr. Nemeth's assistant with whom I was on the phone for about 35-40 minutes, and she patiently went over the treatment with me.
First, this is not a laser treatment, and secondly, they are upfront about what type of BB they can treat and what types they cannot. They can treat only if the BB is caused by anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue. To determine if the BB is indeed caused by anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue they do a test on the first visit. If the test result is positive, they would proceed with the treatment on second visit. Being an out-of-town patient, they were open to do the test and treatment on same visit for me.
I visited several dentists, couple of GI doctors, an ENT doctor, an allergy specialist, an oral pathologist over the past five years, without any success. None of them actually seem to be knowledgeable about BB, and this was the first time I talked to a professional who seems to at least have a clue about BB. That itself was enough for me to decide to make a trip to Detroit from New York. At least I'd know if the source of my BB is the anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue or not.
The test is essentially a “smell test”. They scraped the back of the tongue with a 2x2 gauze and smelled it. I did too. That was the first time in over five years (since the onset of my BB) I was been able to smell my own BB and it was gross. The treatment involved scrapping my tongue off of the anaerobic bacteria and cleaning the tongue and entire oral cavity with chlorine dioxide rinse (commercially called ProFresh, which probably everyone on this forum heard of).
For two hours after the treatment my mouth was gushing saliva non-stop, like a fresh water spring gushing water. If it is true that anaerobic bacteria makes the mouth dry and reduce saliva production, the treatment seems to have got the intended effect of eliminating the anaerobic bacteria very effectively. At least for two hours. It remains to be seen if it is permanent.
Since my return I have been following the ProFresh protocol twice a day—first thing in the morning and last thing in the night before bed. Before using ProFresh, I do the smell test, and for someone like me, who is single and do not have a trusted friend/family to tell me how my breath is on a daily basis, this test is great. I know exactly where I stand regarding my breath.
It's been almost two weeks and so far the smell test indicates that my BB is mild compared to how it was when the test was done at Nemeth's office. When talking to people, the step backs, the upper body arch backs to move away from me, the finger covering of noses, and the "how disgusting" looks have disappeared. The finger covering of noses when I'm talking to people from few feet away have now changed to occasional swipes across their noses when I'm really close to them, confirming the smell test that my BB is not entirely eliminated, but is now mild.
I don't know if this is a permanent change in my oral bacteria or temporary—time will tell—but I have a barometer in the smell test for me to know it myself. I cannot explain how frustrating it was over the past five years not knowing how my breath was until I interact with people and embarrass myself. Now if I can find a way to eliminate the remaining mild BB, life will be back the way it was before! I'm thinking of eating yogurt and may be use Blis K12 lozenges to colonize my oral cavity with good bacteria.
Having not got any feedback from people who actually got this treatment done and given that the referenced articles are more confusing (laser treatment or not, treatment for BB borne from gum disease or other oral areas, etc.), I finally called them. The staff is friendly and transferred me to Dr. Nemeth's assistant with whom I was on the phone for about 35-40 minutes, and she patiently went over the treatment with me.
First, this is not a laser treatment, and secondly, they are upfront about what type of BB they can treat and what types they cannot. They can treat only if the BB is caused by anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue. To determine if the BB is indeed caused by anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue they do a test on the first visit. If the test result is positive, they would proceed with the treatment on second visit. Being an out-of-town patient, they were open to do the test and treatment on same visit for me.
I visited several dentists, couple of GI doctors, an ENT doctor, an allergy specialist, an oral pathologist over the past five years, without any success. None of them actually seem to be knowledgeable about BB, and this was the first time I talked to a professional who seems to at least have a clue about BB. That itself was enough for me to decide to make a trip to Detroit from New York. At least I'd know if the source of my BB is the anaerobic bacteria on the back of the tongue or not.
The test is essentially a “smell test”. They scraped the back of the tongue with a 2x2 gauze and smelled it. I did too. That was the first time in over five years (since the onset of my BB) I was been able to smell my own BB and it was gross. The treatment involved scrapping my tongue off of the anaerobic bacteria and cleaning the tongue and entire oral cavity with chlorine dioxide rinse (commercially called ProFresh, which probably everyone on this forum heard of).
For two hours after the treatment my mouth was gushing saliva non-stop, like a fresh water spring gushing water. If it is true that anaerobic bacteria makes the mouth dry and reduce saliva production, the treatment seems to have got the intended effect of eliminating the anaerobic bacteria very effectively. At least for two hours. It remains to be seen if it is permanent.
Since my return I have been following the ProFresh protocol twice a day—first thing in the morning and last thing in the night before bed. Before using ProFresh, I do the smell test, and for someone like me, who is single and do not have a trusted friend/family to tell me how my breath is on a daily basis, this test is great. I know exactly where I stand regarding my breath.
It's been almost two weeks and so far the smell test indicates that my BB is mild compared to how it was when the test was done at Nemeth's office. When talking to people, the step backs, the upper body arch backs to move away from me, the finger covering of noses, and the "how disgusting" looks have disappeared. The finger covering of noses when I'm talking to people from few feet away have now changed to occasional swipes across their noses when I'm really close to them, confirming the smell test that my BB is not entirely eliminated, but is now mild.
I don't know if this is a permanent change in my oral bacteria or temporary—time will tell—but I have a barometer in the smell test for me to know it myself. I cannot explain how frustrating it was over the past five years not knowing how my breath was until I interact with people and embarrass myself. Now if I can find a way to eliminate the remaining mild BB, life will be back the way it was before! I'm thinking of eating yogurt and may be use Blis K12 lozenges to colonize my oral cavity with good bacteria.
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omg, this post smells like pure scam, jesus christ another individual with only 4 posts suddenly cured. God bless, profrsh is same krap as Katz, Speiser and other idiots sale. Very dangerous chemical if you read the ingredients and google them.
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I dont think its a scam; he is just in the "honeymoon" stage and falsely hoping it will work.
I went to the oravital clinic here and pretty much went through the exact same things he listed. After the first 2 weeks, I was convinced that my bb was getting better. Obviously this was not the case.
Funny how after I would try to contact the clinic --hundreds and hundreds of dollars wasted- after the failed "cure" they were not as positive and very reluctant to return my calls. Even though they claimed they cure everyone beforehand. They completely scammed me! Its these clinics that are the scammers; not the poor people falling for it.
I went to the oravital clinic here and pretty much went through the exact same things he listed. After the first 2 weeks, I was convinced that my bb was getting better. Obviously this was not the case.
Funny how after I would try to contact the clinic --hundreds and hundreds of dollars wasted- after the failed "cure" they were not as positive and very reluctant to return my calls. Even though they claimed they cure everyone beforehand. They completely scammed me! Its these clinics that are the scammers; not the poor people falling for it.
