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OBSERVERTO wrote:I have gerd, sliding hiatal hernia and h-pylori..
Why haven't you treated the h.pylori?


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Actually they're for H.pylori and GERD treatment.....i just combine them (quadruple antibiotic treatment) and took it in a high dosage on my very first day of treatment....medication last about a month.

i know its kinda dangerous taking all those meds without doctors prescription.....but am starting to lose my faith on them so i decided to be doctor (without PhD)myself....somehow it works for me:)..thank God

So dick.karma has been a member of this site for quite sometime..it means he already gained vast knowledge and information about this whole BB treatment thing...am pretty sure he already figured out the source of his BB.
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But if a person knows they have h.pylori then they need to deal with that. There is absolutely no reason to have to accept having this infection. ANTIBIOTICS are needed to get rid of it. Nothing else will get rid of it. No honey or alternative treatments work on this bug when it lives in the stomach.

Perhaps this person keeps getting re-infected or the treatments they've had so far have failed to eliminate it - as can happen.

If you have BB and h.pylori, it's a MUST to deal with the HP.

A simple Google search will explain how important this is. And it might not even be because of the HP - it might simply be the therapy itself and nothing to do with the elimination of HP. Also, HP might not give everyone bad breath. But a person who does have BB must ensure they are free of this bug.

Just read this as an example:-
http://www.badgut.org/information-centr ... halitosis/
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halitosisux wrote:
OBSERVERTO wrote:I have gerd, sliding hiatal hernia and h-pylori..
Why haven't you treated the h.pylori?

I took medications for h-pylori for almost 2 months and decided to stop when i realize that h-pylori had nothing to do with my bad breath. Sliding hiatal hernia had nothing to do with my bad breath either, but whenever i shit the ****ing methane gas is too strong. This hiatal hernia made my stomach bloated and gaseous. My mouth, sinus and tonsil had nothing to do with bad breath, even if i cut my tongue, pull out all my teeth and cut my tonsil i still have bad breath. That is why no matter what type of remedy you do as long as you don't know the real root cause you are wasting your time and probably damage some parts of your body. My primary concern right now is gerd, actually i have no interest in bad breath anymore. I knew that if i could permanently treat gerd, bad breath will disappear.

@justlivinlife: It's hard to believe that you treat your h-pylori, gerd etc. in 1 month using this medication when most gerd medication out there in the marketplace are antacid. Once you took this antacid, your symptoms disappear for a while and comes back again. If you really treat your gerd using this medications then you must have mild case of gerd.

As for dick.karma, have a conversation with him via PM. Beware though, if you are after his identity no one i this forum will reveal their identity for many reasons unless you gained their trust. There are many of us here got betrayed by pretender.
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I understand your point about gerd being your priority over the BB at the moment. But if you still have h.pylori then it may be making your gerd worse. The stomach produces more acid in response to h.pylori presense, even though the h.pylori survival mechanism is to reduce the acidity. HP isn't difficult to eradicate. Treatment sometimes requires repeated attempts with different antibiotic combinations. You are supposed to get tested to ensure it has been eradicated. A course doesn't usually last longer than 7 days. Why have you taken meds for 2 months?

HP can affect your entire digestive system because if it is able to cause achlorhydria in your stomach, this can lead to SIBO developing in your small intestine.
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I wonder if I have H pylori, simply because I was 100% cured whilst taking metronidazole.
And for some reason, metronidazole doesn't seem to work on everyone.
Bad breath returned about 4 days after stopping the medication.

I plan to try another course if I can get my hands on some more.

Do you think it would be a good idea to buy a home test kit for h pylori?
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If you're asking me the question, then yes - without giving you false hope, perhaps metronidazole by itself could have weakened the helicobacter, but couldn't eradicate it. To get rid of this particular bug from your stomach lining, you also need to take medication to reduce your stomach acid production - Omeprazole for example. This increases the effectiveness of the antibiotics against the HP. You generally also need to take a combination of different antibiotics at the same time.

As I explained to you before, metronidazole will also be effective on the bacteria in the mouth and in the gut, so it may be for that reason that most people get improvement with metronidazole, and as a result, only a temporary improvement. If metronidazole doesn't give any improvement, then it may indicate possible clues to other BB causes, such as organ dysfunction.

Home HP test kit is an excellent idea. If you get a negative result, then try again. If you still get a negative then it's a near total certainty that you don't have it. If you get a positive result then it's quite possible that you do have it, so you'll need to get it confirmed by seeing a doctor and getting the appropriate testing and treatment. The best advice is see a doctor from the start. A doctor will have no reason not to take you seriously on this. It's a simple blood test and if you go there complaining of the right symptoms you'll have no problem getting tested.

Bear in mind If you do have HP, it may well have become resistant to metronidazole if you've already used it.

A lot of good info can be found here:
http://www.helico.com/
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I've read that Manuka Honey kills H Pylori and I read that people were getting cured from H pylori by using it... I would research into that... There are cheap tests you can order online in the u.s... You order a lab test and go to the lab and get tested... I bought one for $100 but havent took the paper to the lab yet... I would try manuka honey before I tried antibiotics, but that's just me... Plus I was told twice i dont smell right after I bought the test lol...
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Manuka honey kills h.pylori in vitro, just like most antibacterials would do. But of course, people jump on anything to make money, and just because Manuka honey is safe to eat, there's all kinds of ridiculous claims about what it can do if you swallow some.

Manuka honey is not a recognised therapy for eradicating h.pylori. If anything, all it will do is kill off the weak leaving the stronger ones behind. No effective alternative therapies exist. You need an antibiotic blowout to get rid of this bug.

You can also buy test kits for $5 which are just as accurate when used correctly. The test is done instantly, there's no sending blood samples away. These test kits are not suitable to check for eradication though, they are only for initially finding out if you have the bug or not.
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halitosisux wrote:If you're asking me... A doctor will have no reason not to take you seriously on this. It's a simple blood test and if you go there complaining of the right symptoms you'll have no problem getting tested.
Hi.
What symptoms should I complain of?
If I tell the truth and say to him ''Hi Doc, I have bad breath. I'd like to rule out H pylori, can you test me with a blood test?'', I'm certain that he'll say ''no''.
He'll tell me to use chewing gum and make sure i'm brushing my teeth and send me on my way.

So I'll need to lie about my symptoms etc.

Should I say I have stomach pain? Something else? I feel as though, if I don't mention H pylori, he'll never think of even testing me for it.
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halitosisux wrote:I understand your point about gerd being your priority over the BB at the moment. But if you still have h.pylori then it may be making your gerd worse. The stomach produces more acid in response to h.pylori presense, even though the h.pylori survival mechanism is to reduce the acidity. HP isn't difficult to eradicate. Treatment sometimes requires repeated attempts with different antibiotic combinations. You are supposed to get tested to ensure it has been eradicated. A course doesn't usually last longer than 7 days. Why have you taken meds for 2 months?

HP can affect your entire digestive system because if it is able to cause achlorhydria in your stomach, this can lead to SIBO developing in your small intestine.
I have a vast information about h-pylori that you may not understand. First, where do you based your knowledge about h-pylori? I'm sure Google and other article. If you rely on these sources, you are less than 1% of getting the truth.

I have personal questions.
What makes you think you have bad breath?
Can you smell your bad breath?
How far does your bad breath smell?

Forgive me for asking, i just wanted to know.
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jackson wrote:
halitosisux wrote:If you're asking me... A doctor will have no reason not to take you seriously on this. It's a simple blood test and if you go there complaining of the right symptoms you'll have no problem getting tested.
Hi.
What symptoms should I complain of?
If I tell the truth and say to him ''Hi Doc, I have bad breath. I'd like to rule out H pylori, can you test me with a blood test?'', I'm certain that he'll say ''no''.
He'll tell me to use chewing gum and make sure i'm brushing my teeth and send me on my way.

So I'll need to lie about my symptoms etc.

Should I say I have stomach pain? Something else? I feel as though, if I don't mention H pylori, he'll never think of even testing me for it.

Ask the specialist that you have all the symptoms of h-pylori. No explanation needed, if you told them about bad breath there is more chance they would not anticipate your inquiry seriously. Just ask them i have this symptom and i want to make sure it's h-pylori.

I'm sure there's a lot of Hospital or Clinic in your area that offer this type of test for outpatient. For example, you can have Endoscopy without referral as outpatient.
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@Jackson, you could do some Google searches on the connection between h.pylori and halitosis and print them off and take them with you to show your doctor. If your doctor dismisses you then ask to see another doctor until one takes you seriously. Or you could do the indirect way and look up the symptoms of h.pylori and complain about those without even having to mention BB.

@OBSERVERTO, I'm glad to hear you have vast knowledge on the subject. Please enlighten me if you think there's anything I don't appear to understand. The basic knowledge I have about h.pylori is what I've learned over the last 30 years of trying to figure out the cause of my own BB, which I eventually managed to succeed in doing by pure chance one day whilst exploring the inside of my mouth. During my researching I had very good reason to believe I may be infected with h.pylori, having suffered with many of the symptoms. However, after various tests, including the gold standard test of endoscopic biopsy of a sample of my stomach lining, I was found not to be infected. During my childhood, my dad suffered crippling symptoms of acid reflux and an ulcer which perforated his stomach and nearly killed him. He had two major operations because of this. Many years after he was successfully treated, he was tested for h.pylori and found not to be infected. So, his problems must have been due to other reasons, the causes of which I may have inherited from him.

I try to get my facts right as best as I can, but I'm not an educated person and I have no experience in any scientific or medical fields, so please excuse my ignorance while I try to make sense of everything relating to this BB curse and in my attempts to help anyone else whenever I feel I can do.
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halitosisux wrote:
I try to get my facts right as best as I can, but I'm not an educated person and I have no experience in any scientific or medical fields, so please excuse my ignorance while I try to make sense of everything relating to this BB curse and in my attempts to help anyone else whenever I feel I can do.
Please read your pm, i prefer to discuss this misunderstanding in private. Thank you
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Post by oh men »

hi guys! i'm new at posting here but i've been lurking on this site for a few months now..

so i had tried fluconazole and metronidazole together for just 5 days..first 3 days was amazing.. but on the 4th days i've experienced a sour taste in my mouth that is very unpleasant.. so i decided to see a gastro for the first time he gave me pantropazole and rebamipide to try but still the soury taste still is there..i think i made my breath worst for taking fluco and metro..did anyone here experienced wat im experiencing right now? im so depressed..
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