You should read this

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Sat May 03, 2008 11:29 am

Well at least those who haven't.

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/show ... ost1911524

This guy says he got cured after a chronic sinusitis surgery. But then after a few posts he never posted again. If only he told us which ENT he visited over there in Canada. One member who lives there could visit him too and share his story afterwards with us if ti worked or not. I mean the way he describes it seems like he is one of the best ENT's out there.

Anyways here are the rests of his posts, describing a few things that I have in common. I've been to different ENT's but none of em could find out what the problem was. I had the CT-scan done but it came out negative.

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/sear ... id=5949095

Archimonde · Post by **Archimonde** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:22 pm

Great find. I'll copy/paste the post

"Hi everyone,

Well I had my sinus surgery on Aug 2nd. It was not fun. But, I'm glad I had it done. For those who do not know me, I have suffered from bb for about 30 years. I have tried everything under the sun. Some things worked better then others, but, they would only work for a very short time.

Over the years my breath has gotten worst. I have been to ENT specialists, dentists and stomach doctors. But, know one could help me. One would say it came from my stomach and another would say it was coming from my mouth or sinuses. It has been very frustrating over the years. But in the last five years my breath has gotten a lot worst. I finally thought I would give a different ENT doctor a try. Had the X-rays and CT scan. I have post nasal drip. They found an infection. So I have surgery.

The doctor came to my bed after and said that my sinuses were extremely infected and when they operated on my sinuses the smell filled the operating room. He said it was really bad. The first week my breath was still bad. I was told to irrigate my nose 6 times a day. and I took antibiotics too. By the second week the smell was gone! The white coating is gone! I can eat anything and no smell! Praise God! I still have some PND but no smell! The PND did not cause the smell it was the infection that caused the smell.

Another thing that I have noticed is that my farts use to really smell bad and my poop would be soft and really smell. But, since my surgery that has also changed. I hardly smell when I fart and my poop is hard and has very little smell also.

All that infection would go down the back of my throat and coat my esophagus and fill my stomach with infection. I think that I have all ways had an infection most of my life and didn't know it. Over the years the infection worsened.

Everyone you need to find an ENT doctor that will help you. If one won't help find another. I can't explain what it feels like to talk to people and not have them walk away or grab there noses every time I talk. I'm still worried and am all ways looking for a reaction. I guess it will take time to get over that. I have spent a fortune over the years trying to find a cure. All I need was a good ENT doctor that was will to help me. I hope you will all find one too!"

Archimonde · Post by **Archimonde** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:30 pm

"As to your question:
What kind of sinus surgery did you have, did it have a special name?

It was called sinus surgery for chronic sinusitis - the ENT told me that I had a really bad "deviated septum". The deviated portions of the septum had to be removed. The operation took about an hour and a half.

How did you convince your ENT to push the issue?

I really didn't have to convince this one. He really seemed to care a lot. And, I think the problem finally got so bad that they noticed the problem. Have you had a CT Scan if not I would demand it. You have to get strong with them. Like I said before I have been told by ENT's that I do not have a problem. But, they were wrong! Why is it after the surgery I have no bad breath any more. If it wasn't my sinuses then I would still have bad breath.

I believe I have all ways had an infection but it was mild. Just bad enough to give me bad breath but not bad enough for the ENT's to care about it. For some reason when we have an infection like this we smell. While others don't. You must get rid of the infection! The infection and mucus coat the back of the throat and down the esophagus where you can't reach it. The bacteria continues to grow and you can not get rid of it.

Did I have smell coming from my nose. - Not for many years but, in the last few years I would have to say yes. There were times when I would be sitting in the car and my wife would ask if I farted. I knew I didn't and I couldn't smell anything and like preachpit I would say yes. So, as the infection became worst I started to get a smell from my nose. But, not all the time."

Archimonde · Post by **Archimonde** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:01 pm

I read all his posts and his symptoms were the same as ours.

So, has anyone here ever been to an ENT to see if they have a deviated septum? I've been reading bb boards for 10 years now and his explanation of the cause of bb is the best one i've seen:

"PND is a big cause. But, I'm not sure if it is the PND or if it is the PND carrying the infection to the mouth and down the throat. The bacteria uses the PND to cling to the walls of the throat and mouth causing the smell. I still have some PND not as much as before. I'm still heeling. Even with the PND I have no smell. A few years ago I started to irrigate my sinuses and shortly aftetr that something happened. My PND became so bad that right after I ate something I could open my mouth and stick out my tongue and the mucus would literally run off my tougue. With this clear sticky mucus. It was so gross."

Sorry for spamming the forum with walls of text, i felt it was important. I will try to get an appointment with an ENT, i hope others from this board will too.

Archimonde · Post by **Archimonde** » Sat May 03, 2008 2:12 pm

Well, i checked out the french forum hoping this topic has been discussed before.. and it has! The thread was from 2005, there was a lady who had this operation and her bb went away.

I've started a new thread there hoping to find more people who have been cured (or not) with that operation. There's hope!

john · Post by **john** » Sat May 03, 2008 4:28 pm

so you can be infected even you don't know?
and how can this be detected? only by ct scan and x-rays?

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Sat May 03, 2008 6:24 pm

Archimonde wrote:Well, i checked out the french forum hoping this topic has been discussed before.. and it has! The thread was from 2005, there was a lady who had this operation and her bb went away.

I've started a new thread there hoping to find more people who have been cured (or not) with that operation. There's hope!

Hey, the thread from chuckwho is from 2005 too. I should have posted this ages ago, but I never thought about it until now. Too bad they didn't leave the name of the ENT. It may seem like spam but one member who lives in canada could go there and check it out and tell inform us about it. I know on healthboards you're not really allowed to do much, so I can understand why chuckwho did not write down the name of the ENT. But maybe you can get the lady to write down a name. You or another member coud go over there and check it out. Even if it might not work for you, it can still help others. We can even get closer to the cure for some of us.

perrymason · Post by **perrymason** » Sat May 03, 2008 6:31 pm

That's pretty interesting, and yes, i do infact have excessive PND. I think i have an infection in my sinuses / mucus linings causing the excess mucus and the nose odor. I'm going back to my ENT in around 10 days and i shall discuss the possibility of infections and/or polyps etc.

Hopefully we get some scanning done or she prescribes me anti biotics to clear this messup. Maybe a nasal antibiotic spray?!

thanatos · Post by **thanatos** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:31 pm

Symptoms of chronic sinusitis?

perrymason · Post by **perrymason** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:35 pm

thanatos wrote:Symptoms of chronic sinusitis?

yupppp

thanatos · Post by **thanatos** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:22 am

Eric · Post by **Eric** » Sun May 04, 2008 6:08 am

I always have one nostril almost completely clogged & it alternates throughout the day.

Same for me. Although nasal irrigation has helped a lot.

emotional rescue · Post by **emotional rescue** » Sun May 04, 2008 10:43 am

thanatos wrote: I always have one nostril almost completely clogged & it alternates throughout the day.

Same thing for me,

But, I seem to remember that many members posted that went to sinus surgeries, especially about desviated septum, without luck about bb....

Could be that this guy from healthboards posted this thing when he was under the influence of the antibiotics???

Sorry to be pesimist this time.....but i would not like to see some members go under the knife without more proves....

On the other hand, this could make sense:

-If when we have tonsil stones, it´s like a kind of infection, and it affects our breath...even you could have tonsils stones without you never knew it (my case for example) and when you get your tonsils out you get an improvement (my case too...)

-Then maybe it could be possible that some people could have sinus infections without knowing it, and it´s affecting their breath,

-Same thing with infected adenoids, i remember the post of a girl who got cured by getting out her infected adenoids...

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Sun May 04, 2008 11:39 am

The man on the healthboards forum said that he did not have any symptoms of chronic sinusitis such as headaches and stuff. The funny thing is that he says his mucous has been very gluey and clear before the surgery. Usually when you have a chronic sinusitis your mucous will have a yellow colour because it's infected. It's a very strange situation. I looks like that even with a ct scan the bacteria may not be detectable. Maybe the ENT had some kind of special method to detect those bacteria. I had my ct-scan done about a year ago and I was hoping that it would show an infection so there would be hope, but it didn't. He also prescribed me some antibiotics which didn't work. But I still feel like I might have the same problem cause if you ead more carefully he says that the rpoblem became worse over the years. When he first visited an ENT, he always said nothing was wrong and they just gave him a nasal spray. About ten years later he decided to go to another ENT and then he helped him get rid of the bb. Two possibilities in my opinion:

1. The ENT just cared a lot and helped him
2. He waited about 10 years for the infection to be bad enough to be detected

I have no idea but we can find out about the first one now.

perrymason · Post by **perrymason** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:49 pm

Well, before i started nasal irrigation, my mucus used to be green and really nasty. I would keep having to hack and cough it up because it would clog up in my throat. After irrigating my sinuses (netipot), my mucus isn't green at all anymore, but the production is overwhelming.

I'd rather stop addressing the symptoms of PND and focus more on the cause. Eliminate PND = Eliminate BB. I see everyone on this forum trying to find products which help only their mouths / back of their tongues, but personally, i don't think it will help much if the mucus production is still around. I've been on the activia + vitamin c + tung brush thing for a week now, and it's not helping at all

Just waiting to go to my ENT :]