Study that possibly links oral to gastro bacteria

[Pleasehelp]

Hello,

Getting a SIBO test at lab this weekend, and was reading up on test prep when I found this study. It was interesting because the scientists were surprised to see that oral bacteria can affect breath tests, and that if chlorhexidine is used before the breath test, bacteria rebounds after 15-20 min. They then hypothesized that there may be a correlation between elevated hydrogen or methane levels in the mouth and in the gut. Hopefully follow up studies will help find the answer!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79554-x

[Ethanklein]

Hello,

Getting a SIBO test at lab this weekend, and was reading up on test prep when I found this study. It was interesting because the scientists were surprised to see that oral bacteria can affect breath tests, and that if chlorhexidine is used before the breath test, bacteria rebounds after 15-20 min. They then hypothesized that there may be a correlation between elevated hydrogen or methane levels in the mouth and in the gut. Hopefully follow up studies will help find the answer!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79554-x

Hi Pleasehelp, that is a very interesting article! Basically bottom line conclusion saying don't chlorhexidine before the breath test or it will flub up your results. Makes sense that maybe you should just brush with water & no toothpaste or any other masking agents too so you get 100% natural results.

Would be great if you could fill us in on how it goes and what the docs say about it. Wishing you goodluck with it and please do report back to us! I assume you suspect your case of BB could be Hydrogen sulfide SIBO related? I encourage you to check out the "Glutathione helps" thread as we have been diving deep into that subject. Maybe something might click for you there too.

All the best and hope it goes well for you

[Pleasehelp]

Thank you! I will look into that. I have to postpone the test for two weeks because I've been eating yogurt and don't want the probiotics to interfer, but I will keep you posted. What is also interesting and noted at the end of the study (always at the end, where the conclusions are!) Is that they are recognizing that oral bacteria probably spreads to gut. I think this could be important for a lot of people. I actually tried to tell an infectious diseases doctor this about 2 years ago when I was going through specialists and, although she was bright and open minded, tried to tell me that wasn't possible. I have had food poisoning twice internationally and twice in the US. I was just trying to think about how I'm different from most people, because my breath is different. Also, I had an infected root canal in college, and it is clear from my studies that this kind of thing can release pathogenic bacteria into your oral cavity, although I've had dentists and periodontists tell me that wouldn't matter. It's hard when you know more than medical experts. They don't take you seriously

[simple]

Hi Pleasehelp, thank you for sharing the study!
I guess this study confirms you’re right about the possibility of infected root canal causing pathogenic bacteria presence in the mouth, then spreading to the GI.

Did you bb start at around the time when you got issues with infected root canal? If your bb started long time before that - did it get worse after you got infected root canal?

It is interesting to see how many people on this forum had problems with tonsillitis, and that tonsillectomy doesn’t help in almost all cases (I’m one of those people as well). If there’s an infection somewhere in the oral cavity and disrupted flora, it is likely there’s intestinal disrupted flora as well (and the other way round). When my tonsils were removed it turned out they had fungus spores growing in/through the tissues, which the doctor was very surprised about as something abnormal/rare (makes me think of looking into Sifo as potential cause as well).

P.S. Yes, doctors are completely ignorant of the causes/contributions to bb, unless there’s a straightforward intraoral bb cause. I can relate to that a lot too - we know so much more after researching tiredlessly about the bb condition, whereas the doctors are not trained in having bb-specific knowledge...

What is also interesting and noted at the end of the study (always at the end, where the conclusions are!) Is that they are recognizing that oral bacteria probably spreads to gut. I think this could be important for a lot of people. I actually tried to tell an infectious diseases doctor this about 2 years ago when I was going through specialists and, although she was bright and open minded, tried to tell me that wasn't possible. I have had food poisoning twice internationally and twice in the US. I was just trying to think about how I'm different from most people, because my breath is different. Also, I had an infected root canal in college, and it is clear from my studies that this kind of thing can release pathogenic bacteria into your oral cavity, although I've had dentists and periodontists tell me that wouldn't matter. It's hard when you know more than medical experts. They don't take you seriously