Bad Breath Halitosis Forum

Hi everyone,

For those of you who suffers from chronic halitosis,I would like to share somewhat in my opinion is valuable to you.

Back ground: 26 yr old male from Australia who like most of you suffer from chronic BB since high school. I always have thick white coated tongue, no matter what food i consume (especially sugary, carb food) the breath will smell like a fermented version of what i consumed. My breath will only stay fresh for 10-20mins after brush. I could always smell my own breath and according what my partner told me, my breath smells like mild tonsil stone and somewhat she describes as infection smell.
So far I have been to several dentists(half yearly), GP and ENT and found nothing wrong on me.

What I have tried so far:

Tonsillectomy in 2009 (60%improved my breath according to my partner)

2 bottom wisdom teeth extraction 2 months ago (helped a little cause it prevented getting food trap in between the gap of the teeth and gum)

antibacterial mouth washes (obviously they didn't help except give me a black tongue and 10 mins of fresh breath)

tongue scraper (helped clear lots of white yellowish residual on the tongue, but didn't do any good for my breath)

floss teeth 3 times a day

brush 3 times a day

neti pot from NeilMed (no improvement )

daily intake 10 capsules of 100billion 3 strains Ultiboost Inner Balance Probiotic from Swisse ( didn't help anything on my breath )

one soup spoon a day of the highest grade Manuka honey(made my breath worse cause its full of sugar)

candida and H pylori tests all came back negative

chest and lung X ray found nothing wrong

head MRI result indicated that i have minor sinusitis (but I don't have any sinusitis symptoms)

done 3 times endoscopy due to i have lumps on my pharynx (pharyngeal nodules) ENT saids they are not harmful.

Took 2 courses of AMOX due to infected wisdom teeth (gave ma a day or 2 BB free)

A major break through
After countless hours of research I found that highly likely my BB is due to bacterial immbalance in my mouth and throat. And i have also found that those bacteria causing BB are super adaptive meaning that they will very soon have the ability to adapt and resist the treatment you use hence a lot of our treatments will only last for a week so. As a result it is vital to kill the bacterial in the first place before they have a chance to adapt.
With this theory implies the only need 3 ingredients you will need are Hydrogen peroxide, grape fruit seed extract and tea tree oil.

HP: since Anaerobic bacteria are the primary cause of BB, with the use of HP will pretty much give them no chance of survival or to keep them under control.

Tea tree oil: one of the very unique things of TTO is it's complex chemical structure that makes those bacteria extremely hard to cope with or in other words, it is very hard for the bacteria to create resistance to TTO due to its unique chemical structure.

GSE: very strong actions against yet infection(studies have found that GSE can be a more effective treatment in candida compare to other typical medications), bacteria. Unlike any other antibacterial agents, GSE has the ability to classify good and bad bacteria, which means it will most likely attack on those bacteria which give you BB and leave the others along.Therefore GSE is very effective to bring the good bacteria level back up.

Usage:
So far my daily routine is:
brush my teeth in the morning using normal tooth paste, scrape tongue with tongue scraper, rinse mouth for 60sec with (1 part of 6%HP with 9part of water), follow by another 60sec of ( 4 drops of 100% TTO with enough water to make a 1 dose mouth wash), rinse sinus with net pot (i pack of solution with 2 drops of GSE and 2 drops of HP), lastly add 5 drops of GSE with enough water to make 1 dose of mouth wash, rinse your mouth for 30 sec and REMEMBER to DRINK it (yes, I know it taste shit, but for me i would rather to drink shit than have BB), because by swallowing, the GSE will reach to places which mouth rinse will never be able to, besides GSE is non-toxic and will also kill the bad bacteria in your intestine so a win win situation here.

AND DONT FORGET TO REPEAT THE SAME PROCESS AT NIGHT.

COST
HP: $5AUD/ 100ml
GSE: $26AUD/20ml
TTO:$19AUD/40ml
Get a set of those and will last for a month.

If your BB is from bacterial imbalance, by following this routine you will see an immediate improvement by the following day and you will notice you won't have awful morning breath, and your breath will stay fresh ALL DAY.

Please let me know your results after you have tried this treatment.

PS. sorry for my awful grammatical and spelling mistakes as ENG is not my first nor is my second language.

Hey congrat dude .
How lonv tims you are free from bb .
How many metrez people could smell you.


I live a country (france ) that i cant find all this .
I havd asked many times the pharmacies

hey Room bus filler,

I am free from BB for about 2 months.
I think people start to have reactions when i get closer than 1 meter.

You can get those stuff on e bay

GSE:http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 ... t&_sacat=0

tea tree oil:http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=gr ... l&_sacat=0

HP:http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=te ... e&_sacat=0

Most of them do international shipping. so I wish you all the best and don't give up, let me know ur result.

congrats Cal, 2 months is a while and I hope this is it for you! Your bb symptoms are quite similar to mines, soo I might give this a try! Please do keep us posted!

cal wrote:Hi everyone,

For those of you who suffers from chronic halitosis,I would like to share somewhat in my opinion is valuable to you.

Back ground: 26 yr old male from Australia who like most of you suffer from chronic BB since high school. I always have thick white coated tongue, no matter what food i consume (especially sugary, carb food) the breath will smell like a fermented version of what i consumed. My breath will only stay fresh for 10-20mins after brush. I could always smell my own breath and according what my partner told me, my breath smells like mild tonsil stone and somewhat she describes as infection smell.
So far I have been to several dentists(half yearly), GP and ENT and found nothing wrong on me.

What I have tried so far:

Tonsillectomy in 2009 (60%improved my breath according to my partner)

2 bottom wisdom teeth extraction 2 months ago (helped a little cause it prevented getting food trap in between the gap of the teeth and gum)

antibacterial mouth washes (obviously they didn't help except give me a black tongue and 10 mins of fresh breath)

tongue scraper (helped clear lots of white yellowish residual on the tongue, but didn't do any good for my breath)

floss teeth 3 times a day

brush 3 times a day

neti pot from NeilMed (no improvement )

daily intake 10 capsules of 100billion 3 strains Ultiboost Inner Balance Probiotic from Swisse ( didn't help anything on my breath )

one soup spoon a day of the highest grade Manuka honey(made my breath worse cause its full of sugar)

candida and H pylori tests all came back negative

chest and lung X ray found nothing wrong

head MRI result indicated that i have minor sinusitis (but I don't have any sinusitis symptoms)

done 3 times endoscopy due to i have lumps on my pharynx (pharyngeal nodules) ENT saids they are not harmful.

Took 2 courses of AMOX due to infected wisdom teeth (gave ma a day or 2 BB free)

A major break through
After countless hours of research I found that highly likely my BB is due to bacterial immbalance in my mouth and throat. And i have also found that those bacteria causing BB are super adaptive meaning that they will very soon have the ability to adapt and resist the treatment you use hence a lot of our treatments will only last for a week so. As a result it is vital to kill the bacterial in the first place before they have a chance to adapt.
With this theory implies the only need 3 ingredients you will need are Hydrogen peroxide, grape fruit seed extract and tea tree oil.

HP: since Anaerobic bacteria are the primary cause of BB, with the use of HP will pretty much give them no chance of survival or to keep them under control.

Tea tree oil: one of the very unique things of TTO is it's complex chemical structure that makes those bacteria extremely hard to cope with or in other words, it is very hard for the bacteria to create resistance to TTO due to its unique chemical structure.

GSE: very strong actions against yet infection(studies have found that GSE can be a more effective treatment in candida compare to other typical medications), bacteria. Unlike any other antibacterial agents, GSE has the ability to classify good and bad bacteria, which means it will most likely attack on those bacteria which give you BB and leave the others along.Therefore GSE is very effective to bring the good bacteria level back up.

Usage:
So far my daily routine is:
brush my teeth in the morning using normal tooth paste, scrape tongue with tongue scraper, rinse mouth for 60sec with (1 part of 6%HP with 9part of water), follow by another 60sec of ( 4 drops of 100% TTO with enough water to make a 1 dose mouth wash), rinse sinus with net pot (i pack of solution with 2 drops of GSE and 2 drops of HP), lastly add 5 drops of GSE with enough water to make 1 dose of mouth wash, rinse your mouth for 30 sec and REMEMBER to DRINK it (yes, I know it taste shit, but for me i would rather to drink shit than have BB), because by swallowing, the GSE will reach to places which mouth rinse will never be able to, besides GSE is non-toxic and will also kill the bad bacteria in your intestine so a win win situation here.

AND DONT FORGET TO REPEAT THE SAME PROCESS AT NIGHT.

COST
HP: $5AUD/ 100ml
GSE: $26AUD/20ml
TTO:$19AUD/40ml
Get a set of those and will last for a month.

If your BB is from bacterial imbalance, by following this routine you will see an immediate improvement by the following day and you will notice you won't have awful morning breath, and your breath will stay fresh ALL DAY.

Please let me know your results after you have tried this treatment.

PS. sorry for my awful grammatical and spelling mistakes as ENG is not my first nor is my second language.

Have you tried each step individually or a combination of some? My point is, some of the steps may be unnecessary... like for example swallowing the GSE solution.

hey Trunks99,
Firstly I discovered that using GSE dramatically reduced my BB but not completely, about 5to 10% remains, then I did more researches and found that actually GSE is a drinkable non-toxic substance. Since I drink and consume GSE my BB was completely gone (because there are lots of cavity, spaces and at the very very very back of your tongue which is impossible to be reached by typical gargling and rinse so the only option left is to swallow the GSE), but I understood that those bacteria will eventually adapt and resist to GSE so in order to have a long term and effective treatment it was essential to develop a formula which will kill and leave them zero chance of adpatation .

As mentioned in my post, it is very unlikely that they can adapt TTO as it naturally has a very complex chemical structure unlike the normal artifitual antibiotic we get over the counter.
Also HP will kill them anyway whether or not they have resistance to any of those substances.
There will be no chance of survival for those fuxkers when you combine these substances together, and use it on a daily basis. BTW you should also use super high dosage of very good probiotic as well, hopefully you can re balance the bacteria level naturally and if so you won't need those treatments anymore.

cal wrote:hey Trunks99,
Firstly I discovered that using GSE dramatically reduced my BB but not completely, about 5to 10% remains, then I did more researches and found that actually GSE is a drinkable non-toxic substance. Since I drink and consume GSE my BB was completely gone (because there are lots of cavity, spaces and at the very very very back of your tongue which is impossible to be reached by typical gargling and rinse so the only option left is to swallow the GSE), but I understood that those bacteria will eventually adapt and resist to GSE so in order to have a long term and effective treatment it was essential to develop a formula which will kill and leave them zero chance of adpatation .

As mentioned in my post, it is very unlikely that they can adapt TTO as it naturally has a very complex chemical structure unlike the normal artifitual antibiotic we get over the counter.
Also HP will kill them anyway whether or not they have resistance to any of those substances.
There will be no chance of survival for those fuxkers when you combine these substances together, and use it on a daily basis. BTW you should also use super high dosage of very good probiotic as well, hopefully you can re balance the bacteria level naturally and if so you won't need those treatments anymore.

Thanks cal. I've read some articles about GSE being unsafe so I will need to make more research on that.

StillHoping wrote:congrats Cal, 2 months is a while and I hope this is it for you! Your bb symptoms are quite similar to mines, soo I might give this a try! Please do keep us posted!

Hey Stillhoping,
Thanks buddy, please let me know your result after trying. Hopefully my findings can help to change you guys' life. I really wish one day there will be no more BB sufferers on this planet. will keep in touch. cheers

Trunks99 wrote:

cal wrote:hey Trunks99,
Firstly I discovered that using GSE dramatically reduced my BB but not completely, about 5to 10% remains, then I did more researches and found that actually GSE is a drinkable non-toxic substance. Since I drink and consume GSE my BB was completely gone (because there are lots of cavity, spaces and at the very very very back of your tongue which is impossible to be reached by typical gargling and rinse so the only option left is to swallow the GSE), but I understood that those bacteria will eventually adapt and resist to GSE so in order to have a long term and effective treatment it was essential to develop a formula which will kill and leave them zero chance of adpatation .

As mentioned in my post, it is very unlikely that they can adapt TTO as it naturally has a very complex chemical structure unlike the normal artifitual antibiotic we get over the counter.
Also HP will kill them anyway whether or not they have resistance to any of those substances.
There will be no chance of survival for those fuxkers when you combine these substances together, and use it on a daily basis. BTW you should also use super high dosage of very good probiotic as well, hopefully you can re balance the bacteria level naturally and if so you won't need those treatments anymore.

Thanks cal. I've read some articles about GSE being unsafe so I will need to make more research on that.

Yeah trunk99, there are some articles saying that all GSE on the market are made with chemicals, and some say it is safe to consume GSE in a reasonable dosage. You can skip the swallowing bit and just rinse with GSE, but if it can fully cure BB I personally will willing to take the risk. Anyway, keep me update with your process. All the best.

I have been following your routine for 2 days and noticed some improvement. Which is surprising cuz recently I have been thinking my cause is from my stomach... soo now I am very confused unless maybe I have some sort of combination of bb types.

Your routine lasts for me for approximately 4 hours [ie. until I eat/ drink, even water], which is a miracle because whatever I would do before would last for only one hour max. Soo just wondering is there anything you do during the daytime to sustain the fresh breath? especially after you eat?

StillHoping wrote:I have been following your routine for 2 days and noticed some improvement. Which is surprising cuz recently I have been thinking my cause is from my stomach... soo now I am very confused unless maybe I have some sort of combination of bb types.

Your routine lasts for me for approximately 4 hours [ie. until I eat/ drink, even water], which is a miracle because whatever I would do before would last for only one hour max. Soo just wondering is there anything you do during the daytime to sustain the fresh breath? especially after you eat?

Hey stillhoping,
Yeah same here, I thought my bb was actually from my stomach and therefore went to check for h pylori and candida. But in fact my bb ( maybe urs as well) is actually from the oral cavity and at the very back of my tonuge also from deep inside the throat( hence I swallow GSE ). If in ur case it only last for few hours, maybe you could bring a little bottle of premixed HP with you in ur pocket and rinse ur mouth with it after meals and stuff. I have got a little bottle of premixed HP in my car so some times when my breath isn't that fresh( as normal people will get after eat and stuffs) I will just give it a quick rinse and my breath will be fresh as. Btw could you describe what ur breath smells like ? It might help to determine the root cause. Also which brand of GSE do u use? Coz there are heaps of others which they diluted into a very weak form, so when I say few drops of GSE it might mean 20drops for some other brands. The one I Use is extremely thick( sort of like chocolate topping for ice cream you get from supermarket). Also do u have pnd ?

All the best
Cal

I also believe this breath issue is about imbalanced gut health/bacteria. I met with a holistic health coach yesterday and she said the same thing. I also thought of this theory yesterday after realizing my bad breath went while I was taking antibiotics, but returned when I stopped taking them.

I should be the last post on page 28 of this thread. You can read about how I also believe the source of this problem is bacterial.

viewtopic.php?t=6255&postdays=0&postord ... 2322b0c60a

I will definitely be looking into your methods and other methods. Thanks!

cal wrote:hey Trunks99,
Firstly I discovered that using GSE dramatically reduced my BB but not completely, about 5to 10% remains, then I did more researches and found that actually GSE is a drinkable non-toxic substance. Since I drink and consume GSE my BB was completely gone (because there are lots of cavity, spaces and at the very very very back of your tongue which is impossible to be reached by typical gargling and rinse so the only option left is to swallow the GSE), but I understood that those bacteria will eventually adapt and resist to GSE so in order to have a long term and effective treatment it was essential to develop a formula which will kill and leave them zero chance of adpatation .

As mentioned in my post, it is very unlikely that they can adapt TTO as it naturally has a very complex chemical structure unlike the normal artifitual antibiotic we get over the counter.
Also HP will kill them anyway whether or not they have resistance to any of those substances.
There will be no chance of survival for those fuxkers when you combine these substances together, and use it on a daily basis. BTW you should also use super high dosage of very good probiotic as well, hopefully you can re balance the bacteria level naturally and if so you won't need those treatments anymore.

Hey cal,

it looks like we have the same symptoms. I've been taking 6 tbsp of ACV diluted in water daily for 2 days now, and I feel that my breath is fresher -- no way to tell for sure though. Would you be willing to try that and let me know how it goes?

hey Cal, Im definitely going to start taking some with me to work. I would describe my bb as sour/vinegar, but like you it would smell like a fermented version of anything I put in my mouth right after I eat.

The GSE I use is InnoviteHealth and it isn't thick at all. Soo do you suggest I do use 20 drops? And yes I do have pnd but I do the whole netipot thing you listed. Thanks for the response/ info btw

Trunks99 wrote:

cal wrote:hey Trunks99,
Firstly I discovered that using GSE dramatically reduced my BB but not completely, about 5to 10% remains, then I did more researches and found that actually GSE is a drinkable non-toxic substance. Since I drink and consume GSE my BB was completely gone (because there are lots of cavity, spaces and at the very very very back of your tongue which is impossible to be reached by typical gargling and rinse so the only option left is to swallow the GSE), but I understood that those bacteria will eventually adapt and resist to GSE so in order to have a long term and effective treatment it was essential to develop a formula which will kill and leave them zero chance of adpatation .

As mentioned in my post, it is very unlikely that they can adapt TTO as it naturally has a very complex chemical structure unlike the normal artifitual antibiotic we get over the counter.
Also HP will kill them anyway whether or not they have resistance to any of those substances.
There will be no chance of survival for those fuxkers when you combine these substances together, and use it on a daily basis. BTW you should also use super high dosage of very good probiotic as well, hopefully you can re balance the bacteria level naturally and if so you won't need those treatments anymore.

Hey cal,

it looks like we have the same symptoms. I've been taking 6 tbsp of ACV diluted in water daily for 2 days now, and I feel that my breath is fresher -- no way to tell for sure though. Would you be willing to try that and let me know how it goes?

Hey Trunks99, I was on ACV method for about 2 weeks before i discover the method i posted, it helped a little with my digestion but i really didn't like the taste so i gave it up. Now I am BB free but I will give it a try start from tonight and will let u know is there any change. keep in touch